#37 Leadership Insights from my Conversation with Coach Jim Johnson

In this episode of The Learning to Lead Show, Mark Cundiff shares powerful leadership insights from his conversation with legendary basketball coach Jim Johnson, best known for the unforgettable story of Jason “J-Mac” McElwain—the autistic team manager who stunned the world by scoring 20 points in four minutes on senior night.

Beyond the miracle moment, Coach Johnson reveals the deeper leadership lessons forged through adversity, vulnerability, and perseverance. He explains how authentic leadership can unite a struggling team, why great leaders ask more questions than they give answers, and how preparation positions people for breakthrough moments.

Coach Johnson, a highly accomplished coach with more than 400 career wins, reflects on the leadership principles that shaped his teams and now guide his work as a motivational speaker and leadership teacher.

Mark highlights five key takeaways for growth-minded leaders, including:

• Vulnerability builds unity. When leaders admit they don’t have all the answers and create space for honest conversation, teams can overcome division and move forward together.
• Great leaders ask better questions. Becoming the “Chief Question Asker” builds trust, uncovers truth, and strengthens relationships.
• Preparation creates breakthrough moments. J-Mac’s historic performance wasn’t luck—it was the result of relentless practice meeting opportunity.
• Culture is built through daily behavior. Leaders build trust by aligning their words and actions, telling the truth with respect, and recognizing people for doing the right things.
• Leaders must grow first. Sustainable success comes when leaders commit to continuous personal development and apply what they learn.

Coach Johnson also shares his guiding philosophy: “Leave a profit everywhere you go.” In other words, leave every relationship, team, and situation better than you found it.

This inspiring conversation reminds leaders that passion, preparation, humility, and continuous growth are the ingredients that create both great teams and unforgettable moments.

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Transcript

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hello. Welcome to the Learning Delete Show. I'm your host, mark Kde, I am so excited that you chose to join us today. I want to give you some leadership insights from my great conversation with Coach Jim Johnson. He shares. An inspiring about the remarkable story of Jason J. Mack McElwain, an autistic team manager who scored 20 points in four unforgettable minutes on senior night, creating one of the most inspiring moments in sports history beyond the miracle moment. Coach Johnson shares leadership principles forged through adversity, including how being vulnerable can unite a struggling team. Why great leaders ask more questions than give answers, and how passion, perseverance, and preparation create breakthrough opportunities. Here's some of the key things that we discussed during that show the leadership moment that helped unite a divided basketball team. The story behind the famous four minutes of basketball by JMac. How perseverance and preparation create breakthrough opportunities. Why leaders must ask better questions and listen deeply. The importance of passion and daily discipline and leadership growth. How trust and culture are built through consistent behaviors. Also his philosophy on leaving a profit everywhere you go as a leader and why leaders must commit to continuous personal growth. If you did not catch this episode, I encourage you to go back and listen to episode 36, my conversation with Coach Jim Johnson. I have gotten more texts emails comments and excitement around this conversation than any episode that I've had thus far. I'm gonna give you five key takeaways today from that episode. Coach Johnson is a well established basketball coach. He spent over 30 years coaching in New York. At the high school level, had over 400 wins. Very accomplished. He's now a motivational teacher, speaker, trainer. You'll find him a lot on social media, on LinkedIn, Facebook, and those types of places, and he offers a lot of great insights. What's interesting is that I met Coach Johnson on LinkedIn. He was. Liking and commenting on some of my posts, some of the things that I was putting out there. I started to pay attention to him, respond to him when we started a dialogue. Then from that we had a Zoom call. And we agreed to visit together on the Learning to Lead show. So he's a very gracious. Very humble man, even though he's been on shows like, ESPN in the NBC Today Show, good Morning America, those type of shows. He was willing to come onto the learning the lead show and share with our audience some of the key things that he's learned from his experience with Jay Mack. Now, five key takeaways for growth-minded leaders from my conversation with Coach Jim Johnson. One being vulnerable. Can unite a divided team during a difficult season filled with conflict and tension. Coach Johnson made an unexpected leadership move at a pre-game Shootaround. He didn't bring out basketballs. Instead, he sat the team down and admitted something most leaders struggled to say, guys, I don't have all the answers. You do. And from that moment, they spent an entire hour talking openly about what was dividing them and how they could move forward together. That moment of being real with his team, being transparent with his team, letting his guard down change the entire season, the team rallied, played their best game of the year that night, and went on to win eight of their next nine games. So what's the leadership lesson from this? Sometimes the strongest move a leader can make is creating space for others to be heard. Are you willing to be transparent, to be real with your team? That could be the key to taking your team to the next level. Number two, great leaders ask more questions than they give answers. Coach Johnson calls this becoming the CQA. The chief question asker. Early in his career meetings with team captains were dominated by his agenda, but during this difficult season, he shifted his approach. Instead of giving instructions, he started asking questions, how is this team chemistry right now? How can I better coach for you this week? Is there something happening that I should know about? So you see a shift from him coming in with an agenda that he wanted to share with the team captains and drive his agenda. To, he became curious. He became humble to try to understand what their heart was, what was on their minds, what things that he needed to address in order to be a better coach, to take them to the next level. So once he asked those questions, he just sit back and listened. This shift created stronger relationships and deeper trust the best leaders don't always have the answers. They create conversations that reveal them. Leadership insight. Number three, passion fuels preparation for your moment. Jason J. Mack McElwain loved basketball. He tried out for the team three straight years and didn't make it, but he never quit. Instead, he became the team manager and continued to practice relentlessly shooting in his driveway, rebounding for the players after practice, attending every workout. Then came senior night when Coach Johnson finally put him in the game. Jay Mac stunned everyone by scoring 20 points in four minutes, including six three pointers. His preparation made the moment possible. He did not just come out there having never shot a basketball. He did not come out there having never practiced. He practiced. Over and over again, hours after hour. He went to all the summer camps. He did everything he could to make himself the best he could be. So when he came out for those four minutes, he was prepared. He had confidence, and those shots went in. These weren't layups. He made six. Three pointers in four minutes and we came the game's leading scorer with 20 points in just those four minutes. What is the leadership lesson here? Great moments don't just come from luck. They come from the preparation meeting opportunity. That's what we can learn from Jay Mac during this epic story of his moment to shine. Leadership lesson number four, key takeaway. Team culture is built through daily behaviors. Coach Johnson believes culture is built through intentional actions every day. Some of his leadership principles include, align words with actions, be a person who does what they say they're going to do. Don't over promise and under deliver. This is a key trait I see in some leaders that holds them back, that trips 'em up, that erodes their trust, tell the truth with respect. Sometimes you have to have hard conversations, and what he tells us is that it is more compassionate to tell the truth with grace and dignity and respect than it is to not tell the truth and not. Help want someone get better to understand what their needs of improvement are, what the real situation is. Keeping that truth from them is actually hurting them. And then number three, catch people doing things right. Make sure you find specific behaviors, key insights into being a great leader is seeing those behaviors that you want repeated over and over again, and catching people doing those behaviors and call those out with praise. One of his guiding philosophies is. Leave a prophet everywhere you go. What he means by this is every place, every situation or relationship, leave it better than you found it. One of the examples he used is like when they go into a visiting dressing room, they want to leave that dressing room in better shape. Then when they arrived, pick up all the trash, even if there was trash there prior to them getting there. Do you clean it up, make it look better than when they got there? Can you think about that? If you left every relationship, if you left every conversation, if you left every interaction that you had with someone better off than you when you found it. Think how differently your life would be, how differently people would perceive you. So leave a profit everywhere you go. That's a great life's mission statement. Everything we touch, we should improve. Culture is not created through slogans. It is created through daily behavior. Takeaway number five, we'll move to his last takeaway For this episode, leaders must grow first. Early in his coaching career, coach Johnson thought success came from mastering basketball strategy. He was all about understanding the X's and O's, mapping out the right game plan, mapping out the right practice, mapping out the right, offseason camps. He thought that the success for his team was all gonna come from those things. But after that early failure, he realized something critical. Leadership development matters just as much as technical skills. Think about that. Leadership development matters just as much as technical skill. He became a avid personal growth junkie. Learning from authors like Stephen Covey, John Maxwell, Zig. Tony Robbins, Jim Rohn. He became someone who was obsessed with reading books, listening to cassette tapes, back when those were a big thing, listening to CDs when it transitioned to there, and now listening to podcasts and listening to books on tape. He is an avid learner. That's the whole purpose of this Learning to Lead show is to help you become equipped, to help you learn and grow, to become a better leader, to take your organization to the next level. Craig Ogel often ends his podcast where it says, everyone gets better when the leader gets better. And if you're getting better and you're growing as a leader, you're going to inspire your team to grow. You're going to have things that you didn't have before, insights that you didn't have before, wisdom that you didn't have before, that you can share with them, that you can practice with them so that your organization goes to a higher level. His philosophy, great leaders are ideal gatherers. But more importantly, idea implementers. Great leaders are ideal gatherers, but more importantly, ideal implementers. So what are you going to do today with what you've learned? Are you going to listen? Take good notes? Think about it. Are you going to go out and actually implement it? Thank you for joining the Learning to Lead Show. If you got value out of today's content one, I'd say go back and listen to episode 36. If you haven't, make sure that you share with a friend. Please go and give us a rating if you got value out of today's show because this will help others hear about the learning. The lead show. It will put us up on the charts where others can come and listen and get equipped. They can get encouraged and they can grow and take their leadership to the next level. Also, make sure you download. The leader notes. This will give you an outline and application steps of what was discussed. Also will give you the resources that were discussed during the episode, the books that he recommends, the podcast that he recommends. Those are all available in Leader Notes. Just click on the link in the show notes today and you can download that today and take your leadership to the next level.